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Bolsonaro: Moro made the swap conditional on a Supreme Federal Court seat × Zambelli's messages and Moro's denial
What was said diverges from what a document records.
What was said
“E mais: já que ele falou em algumas particularidades, mais de uma vez, o senhor Sergio Moro falou para mim: você pode trocar o Valeixo, sim, mas em novembro, depois que o senhor me indicar para o Supremo Tribunal Federal. Me desculpa, mas não é por aí.”
Jair Bolsonaro, April 24, 2020 · Address · Address at the Planalto Palace, transcribed by Poder360 · context and source
What happened afterward
- April 24, 2020. Moro denied having set the condition (statement of April 24, 2020) and showed Jornal Nacional messages from Congresswoman Carla Zambelli that suggested a swap in exchange for a nomination to the Supreme Federal Court (STF); he replied that he was not for sale.
“E vá em setembro pro STF […] Eu me comprometo a ajudar […] A fazer JB prometer” source
source - November 3, 2021. In testimony to the Federal Police (PF), Bolsonaro maintained his version that Moro would agree to Ramagem's appointment after being nominated to the Supreme Federal Court (STF).
“Que ao indicar o DPF (Delegado de Polícia Federal) Ramagem ao ex-ministro Sérgio Moro, este teria concordado com o presidente desde que ocorresse após a indicação do ex-Ministro da Justiça à vaga no Supremo Tribunal Federal” source
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How they explained it
Zambelli's messages do not involve the president. They show an allied congresswoman offering help with a nomination to the Supreme Federal Court (STF), which Moro rejected; they neither prove nor refute the conversation reported by Bolsonaro. Zambelli declined to comment to Globo.
Sources of the events
Moro showed Jornal Nacional a conversation with Deputy Carla Zambelli in which she asks him to accept Ramagem at the PF and suggests she would help make his nomination to the STF viable; he replies that he is not for sale. Zambelli, when contacted, did not comment at the time.
Excerpt: “Prezada, não estou à venda”
Source: JN exibe suposta troca de mensagens de Moro com Bolsonaro — Poder360, Apr. 24, 2020 · paragraphs 9 to 12 · open original ↗
News report · full text examined · accessed on Oct. 24, 2026
Limitations: Screenshots not examined. Poder360 notes that 'verba', in Zambelli's message, seems to be 'venda'. Zambelli is not the president; Bolsonaro does not appear in the conversation.
In testimony to the PF (November 3, 2021), Bolsonaro repeated that Moro had agreed to Ramagem's appointment as long as it took place after his nomination to the STF, and that he had demanded 'greater effort' from Moro on the Marielle case doorman and on the Adélio case.
Source: Em depoimento, Bolsonaro diz que Moro condicionou troca na PF à vaga no STF — Poder360, Nov. 2021 · paragraphs 3 to 5 · open original ↗
News report · full text examined · accessed on Oct. 24, 2026
Limitations: Moro's defense complained that it had not been notified of the testimony.